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* we'll let history and the peoples of the future judge if gwb is a moron or a brilliant statesman.
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Moron/brilliant are extremes,
he is more of an ave joe.
Yes, history will reflect.
* how do you reconcile the global confluence movement with the also strong and growing devolution desires of people such as: secessionist desires by various states in the union, and the desires of the kurds, shiites, sunnis for their own states, or the basques in spain, or the muslims in mindanao, or the tamils in sri lanka etc.?
And many more than that. China and Russia have separatist elements as well. Hell, I am the king of my castle arnt I? Democracy live in a state of tension, through the opposing views, which, when taken to natural extension, lead to disintegration. It is the synergy and respect for minorities that is the main benefit.
There is advantages and Disadvantages being a part of the whole. There have been some disintegration, Yogoslovia is gone. Held together by a dominant force, that lost in power, in the confluence. Had Yugoslovia been more a tolerant democracy, it might have not broken up, in stead, you got genocide and disintegration.
Reconciliable differences can be compromised, and free speech allows for airing of grevenences, minorities have rights. These aspect of democracies help integrate, while individualism help separates, and hence the tension, always existing, its the nature of the animals, self-interest, greed, it is when all those involve.
There can be disintegration of nations within a confluence of all nations. As time moves on, disintegration would seem be reduced.
I suppose the tension will always be present, those wanting separation and those wanting integration, in a natural state of tension.
So, what's the conclusion: tension will be ever present, but contained by FORCED at times, and successful when the FORCE is supported by the majority, and if so, why fight, and if over time, the whole is fair, then the disintegration stops.
USA by POWER extended itself and by POWER kept itself whole, by the majority, which is the rule of democracies. So, as long as all have freedom of expression, minority rights are protected, the whole is promoted over the parts, (a true democracy), then it seems that the forces of integration prevail.
Surely more will split and come together, but the frequency should be reduced, and those with the largest foot print do better, generally. So, as an equilibrium is had. US was together 80 years, had a civil war, 140 years ago, that is seven generations, and the by and large, the US is stabilized. Took 200 years, it may take other young democracies 200 years as well to get out all the kinks.
* mind you some of these peoples just want autonomy but i'm sure they want the cars and refrigerators and tv's of the confluence folks. but the more dangerous ones are the religious conflicts which will not be settled with money, or consumer goods.
Very difficult to compromise with the uncompromising.
It is not their belief, but their action. Many a muslim feel embarrassed, though wont admit it. Over time, them must either become more tolerant, or break.
* so yeah the world might be centralized into competing blocks like in orwell's world but there will be a lot of simmering conflicts within that will not be anesthetized by guns or butter.
Surely there will remain conflicts, but the trend is down. How many more Kings will be dethrown over the next century?
* there was a global confluence of sorts right after wwII with the spheres of influence around communists pitted against the western sphere. that was gone by 1989. what institutions will be used to maintain the new confluence? how effective will they be? will it be held by force, or by money, or by other means?
Yes, many int'l org, UN, WTO, NATO, will provide the rules of the game the "functioning rule sets". Intra and Inter national dispute resolution through functional rule sets, consitutions.
you raise many aspects, and surely it will not go like clock work, but conflicts are decreasing, not increasing. I am no expert, that is for sure, and no crystal ball either, just using trying to think it through.
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I used the figure 169 to indicate the number of recognized nations at the UN, but I think its closer to 190. Not sure
Question: (any civil response from anyone is find with me)
Of these 190 countries, what pairs are at declare war with each other with combat troops on the line, duking it out, in actual combat?
To be honest, I cant think of any? Can you?
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Within a Country's Border,
how many insurgency against a state:
Russia: Chechnia (muslims)
China: Tibet (muhdists) Totalitarian State has problems
Zuixquia (muslims)
Hong Kong (democrats)
USA: lemetropolecafe (CTs) 
Pakistan: Al Quida (muslims)
Iraq: Shia Theocrats (muslims) v democrats/USA
Afghanistan: Taliban (muslims) v democrats/NATO
Spain: Basques
Sudan: Muslims v Christians
Palistine: Fatah (democrat muslims) v Hamas (theocrat muslims)
Hamas (muslims) v Isreal
Lebanon: Hezbalah (Muslims) v Isreal/Christian democrats
Turkey: kurds,
Philipines: Muslims
Sri Lanka: Tamils
Mexico: Southern Indians (minor)
Nepal: Democrats
Berma: Democrats
Congo: Tutsie Rebels
(never thought in my life I would be rooting for the "democrats", LOL)
I am not sure of course of all of these, just from what I hear.
I am sure there are many others, so, give them to me, but these are probably the biggest "insurgencies".
Intraterritorial disputes are difficult, because the "target" is often within the population. The degree is "insurgency" can be measured from terrorist bombings of people, infrastructure sabotage, assissinations, civil disobedience, stikes, protests, demonstrations.
Its a civil-disorder continuum.
The US nearly flew apart 80 years after our democracy took hold, so, it takes generations to finally get the civil-democracy thing, (just like it takes generations to ride a society of deep-seated prejudices) and there are many countries around with less than 80 years of democracy, but I bet, there is an inverse corelations between the amount/severity of insurgency to the length of time a democracy has been in place. Which is hopeful toward lowering global militancy.
(Note in the first confluence, the "pass" given to Putin's Russia, taking their baby steps.)
So, what we learn, is that the confluence has reach a point where countries no longer war with each other, in large measure, but rather are more subject to internal strife. Cant please everyone all the time, with extreme pre-existing prejudices.
Of course, the Iraq War I and II are exceptions, but with the coalition (which is a indication of the confluence strength), the actual wars lasted, what three weeks. Sure, there maybe a blockade of Iran, and it might go blows, but I doubt it would last long, maybe a month, if that.
The next general theme of the global confluence, is the placement of the GAP countries, and they are mostly in: middle east, africa, and indonesia, mostly, which is a direct inverse corelation, is it not, the lenght of time these countries there have had functional democracies. These are the GAP countries in GAP area where wars can break out, and do.
Of course, once all the insurgency are killed off, then they all go after the drug king pins, and after than, international crime bosses, its all a matter of priority of course, and finally to the Bansters. and then, hedging major miners
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We have all seen on TV various parlimentary floors around the world turned into fistacuff brawls, where civilized politicians duke it out, on stage, during their "civil" discourse. Russia' duma, Korea, and Japan, come to mind. We laugh in embarrassment for them. However, if we Americans look back, our first 80 years were marked by Duels, Cainning, Brawls, and fights in the US congress. We all are not so different.
In the cafe, we have had our little brawls as well.
Its so difficult at times, to put yourself outside yourself, to be willing to percieve other's points of view, and then reflect upon oneself, objectively from another's point of view.
I often think that the rest of the world must think we Americans are crazy, demonstrations at the drop of hat, with apparent dissatification everywhere. In a democracy, you are not suppose to get along, but get out there and put your 2ct in heated, yet civil discourse. The appearance is one of living in a constant state of tension as opposing political forces square off on main street. We accept this tension, rather than resorting to bombing our political opponents, and then surrendering in the end to majority rule. Hence, civil-democracies require a robust political debate with the surrendering to majority rule. A difficult thing to do, when passions run high, and this must be learned and relearned until the society "gets it".
But that's the trick, now aint it, to square off in heated political debates, yelling, foul language, and VP Chenny tells political rivals to f*** off. LOL but in the end, support the majority rule. That is what is meant by being patriotic, to loyally dissent that is absolutely necessary, the loyal part being the acquisence to majority rule after the civil dissent and debate.
Extreme political conduct (a form of insurgency) is however restrained by the criminal laws, and a sense that, having spilled your mantra, on society, you have done your duty as you see it, and will remain loyal and support the majority rule.
Civil-Democracies are difficult. You need an over-riding sense of civility, with rights of expression, that perpetuate a constant state of tension. But it is exactly this tug-of-war that makes the system work, where all political ideas are scrunitized, to get out there, and express your self, in the oppositions face, to find the best solutions for all proposed, yet, at the end of the day, when decisions are made, to recognize that you have to bend and comply with majority rule, otherwise the whole system colapses, and you will go back to being enslaved by kings and politiboros.
When you go from Monarchies, Totalitaries, Theocracies, to demoncracies, a culture of civil-discourse MUST BE LEARNED, and it aint easy, taking generations to "get it". But, once you open the genie bottle, and give individual people rights of expression in a democracy, you cant put the genie back in the bottle.
Sure, Russia will back slide a little, (its cultural)but I am not concerned, over the long run, they got a taste of democracy and capitalism, and that is enough to sustain it, though its not a linear progression, and will back slide from time to time, but again, we must look at the BIG PICTURE, look at the BIG trends, and not every little bump in the road.
For example, I am not so sure that the Chinese (outside of colonial areas), are really ready for this democracy thing without great stress. Probably in 20 years they will be, make the shift without firing a shot, as the last remaining non-democratic large state. But it will happen, as night follows day.
(updated above insurgency list, Nepal and Berma, any others?)
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i tend to agree more with jim sinclair's thesis that it's gonna be authoritarian free enterprise controlling the ostensible "democracy" that people participate in. that's the future i believe. what we will have is market freedom, until you get to a certain level of wealth whereby you gotta deal with the big boys in their game. otherwise if you are small fry you can do business, make money, complain a little, demonstrate a little but nothing else.
that will be the "democracy" of the future.
is it so bad? i don't think so. as long as you are apolitical, can profit from your hard work and be left alone, hey most of the people of the world will trade that for poverty anytime, or insecurity in an anarchic system like in failed/failing states.
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I get goose pimbles just listening to the words. I get teary eyed, to read about those who so love America.
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/congress.htm
This was a long dry address by lincoln, but towards the end, he picked it up. Sure there was the Manroe doctrine, the Marshal plan, etc. But Lincoln was so far ahead of his time, was the first to recognize what America was then, and what the rest of the world was not. And he up the stakes of the War to a more nobler purpose than either directly preserving the union, or emanicipation, but that feedom should extent to all mankind, that the American experiment should propagate around the world, that all of mankind enjoy the fruits of self determination, personal rights, freedom and governments of the people, for the people, and by the people.
So, without further ado,
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"Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We -- even we here -- hold the power, and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless."
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Sure, mistakes are made, sure wrong policy are adopted by those who seem well intentioned, but what lincoln said has propagated around the world. America was, is, and will always be, the "last best hope of earth" for mankind to live in civility and freedom, propagated through the inevitable global confluence.
God Bless America.
Free at last, Free at last, praise God Almighty, the whole of mankind will be free at last.
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Was talking with an evangelico at work this day, and he indicated that China has 85,000,000 christians that are being presecuted, but that, the more they are persecuted, the more chinese flock to the Christain church. He also indicated that Mao-ists slaughtered christians indiscriminately during the great revolution. (Ha, and they complain about the Jap "rape")
On Bloomberg last night, it was indicated that 85 billion of year goes to bribes, kickbacks, and corruption in China, and its increasing.
Tie that into, muslim, buhdist, and democrat dissatisifcation, indicates that China is on the road toward totalitarian collapse.
And today, little Tiawan in Tiepae, through its president, lashed out at Bejing for the use of threats, and intimidating cruise and ballistic missle pointed at them. Many in Tiawan would like to reunit with China, if it would go democratic.
Couple that with the multitude of thousands of local relative independent political group operating in respective villiages, and the democratic solution is the only one possible, to keep it all united.
Its just a matter of time, but dont hold your breath, could be 20 years, or more, until a middle class evolves demanding their FREEDOM.
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On another point, this evangelist noted that not one evangelist in on the supreme court, that US can insult no one except christian, that the US is losing its christain morality.
As we american forget our christian heritage, we abort and murder our children, while at same time, allow muslims and athesists into our country who would take to the christian persecution, and that, as persecution increase, that drive more to the christian church.
This guy passes out christian literature outside of mosque throughout SoCal, risking at time, life and limb, and has many converted muslims with him.
He indicated that in muslim countries, specially egypt, and Durfar, and Napel, that the more christian are persecuted, the more join the christian ranks.
He indicated that the Hindu in India persecute Christian, a safe target to slaughter, whereas the Muslim will fight back. I use to think Indian were pacificist for not confronted militant islam, now I have doubt, and think the term coward might apply, and the "untouchables" flock to the christian church in indian, as forgiveness and salvation through Jesus is not based upon being a Barhman cast member, but for the meek who will inheret the earth. He particularly emphasis how the marxist rebels in Nepal threaten christians for merely being christians with death routinely, as the sub groups vie for power in Nepal.
In indicated that underground christian churches are springing up all over the world, but declining in US/EU.
If interested. http://persecution.com/
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Hey, was not the piece in the bear table, just great!!
THANKS SO MUCH MIDAS!!
Thanks excellent read.
Alex Wallenwein
The RonPaulonomist
This is what caught my eye:
Kicking the Fiat-Habit
To cure a disease you need to properly diagnose it and then prescribe the proper medical remedy.
Let’s diagnose, then. Following is the pathogenesis of the fiat world:
The dollar (as were most currencies in the 1800s) was once tied to gold. The law said that X amount of gold was worth Y amount of dollars, and that banks had to exchange Y dollars for X gold on demand, at any time;
The law allowed bankers to print more paper-dollars than there was gold to back them, calling this “fractional reserve banking” (banks only needed to keep a fraction or percentage of the total amount of dollars outstanding in forms of gold on reserve);
Banks inevitably printed too many dollars, and depositors got nervous, demanding their gold back. Banks got into hot water.
The then recently created (in 1913) ‘lender of last resort’ (the Fed) only had one option to save the illiquid banks: Create (print) more dollars. Naturally, it was unable to create more gold.
Instead of protecting depositors and punishing the profligate banks, ‘the law’ (US government) helped the guilty bankers and punished innocent depositors instead (see, FDR’s gold confiscation in 1933);
American citizens got screwed, but international central banks could still exchange their traded-for dollars for gold from the US treasury. Like Americans, central bankers weren’t stupid and demanded their gold when they saw that the Fed and US banking system had printed and loaned too many dollars into existence that began to float around the world, so Nixon did internationally what FDR did domestically: He closed the gold window. <-------- Killer Stuff 
Now, international central banks (or actually the countries they represented) were the ones who got screwed. They could have rejected the dollar at that time and given the US the finger, but they chose not to. They themselves wanted "in" on the money-creation scheme;
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Closed the gold window to international banks!!!
hhhhmmmmm sounds like, does it not, part of
THE PONYING UP
by foreigners to pay their fair share of the global confluence.
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"Paul Volcker, crack-pimp extraordinaire" ROFLMAO!!
Alex is definitely a cafe kinda guy. ROFLMAO!!
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Well Well, Look like Gandich is providing an ALARM to new military action.
http://www.grandich.com/docs/alert_10-14-07.pdf
Check out Page 14 or 33.
That lays out GAP area, clearly.
Note most problems Middle East, Africa, Indonesia.
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was called an idiot, yet agian by the loons.
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LePatron,
Silver Gaps Up
Midas indicated that Friday 8/23 there was a gap up in gold, and that we did not "fill the Gap". Apparently, Gaps are naturally filled, and an unfilled gap indicates a likely reversal in trend, meaning that the price would come back down or back up. Midas also suggested (and apparently was correct) that this unfilled gap may be the starting gun to a move up, but why would that be? Midas' suggestion was quickly realized by as indicated Gold moves as remarked by trader Dan at mineset.
http://www.jsmineset.com/cwsimages/Miscf...
Apparently, Silver had a gap up as well.
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/watson090707.html
Mr. Watson indicated a GAP definition: "These [gaps] form when the price opens above" and apparently stays above "the high of the previous day", or when the price opens below and apparently stays below the low of the previous day.
Apparently, these gaps are common and there is a natural tendency to "fill the gaps". So gapping up prices usually come back down and gapping down prices usually come back up, and cover the gap spread. As such, the chart trends have continuous prices over the price moves. Gaps can also indicate strong bull and bear moves. Gaps up can be covered by "filling the gap" that can indicate a retest of support or resistance in a reversal. Gaps can be head fakes to refill in follow on reversals, could lead to a retest of support/resistance in a continuation move, could be a lead indicator of a strong reinforcing move, could be gaps countering gaps down/up, Oh yeah, this is great, take your pick, as to what a gap really indicates.
Anyway, Silver put in a gap up early in this latest move.
See the gap at 11.80 jumping to about 11.90 one week ago.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=SLV&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=0
Gold now has a double gap up, self reinforcing to much higher prices and apparently very bullish (according to Trader Dan at Mineset and as suggested by Midas). As it stands now, Silver is under priced relative to gold based upon recent Au/Ag ratios, and Silver could come roaring back 1$ without a gold move, just to catch up. So, lets look at silver, having an impressive last week, running from 11.90 to 12.50, that seems very bullish!. So, will there be a "filling the gap" for a reversal, or retest of support for a move up indicating an imminent reversal, or a strong continuation of the up trend?
There should be a continued move up, with another gap up in silver, and soon, and that correlates to the under price of silver. There appears to be three prior unfilled gap downs, one at about 12.75 on June 25th, and another unfilled gap down on July 24th, at about 13.25, and yet another gap down at about 12.95 on about August 8th. All three of these gaps down are in striking range of the current price of 12.50 looking at 12.75, 12.95, and 13.20, when looking for a 1$ move in silver just to catch up. If silver moves that 1$, as now expected to catch up, it would cover all three down gaps, filling them, a tendency in price movement. Also, the double gapping up move in gold are close in time, only a couple of days apart. With gold moving higher based on two reinforcing gaps up spaced close in time, with silver correlated to gold, and hence, gold is confirming silver's up trend, and with three prior down gaps, it seems that Silver will now gap up again in a 1$ reinforcing move up, just like gold.
Based upon Gold's move, silver's under price, silver's first gap in a current up move, one would expect that in next week or so, silver will see another gap up, reinforcing the move in silver, and will move up silver to 13.50. So, by end September, Silver should be over 13.50 as Silver gaps up.
Derrick
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Le Patron,
That is exactly what happened.
In Midas' appendix 9/10/07 was posted a brief, entitled "Silver Gaps Up", wherein it was stated that: "There should be a continued move up, with another gap up in silver, and soon, and that correlates to the under price of silver. There appears to be three prior unfilled gap downs, one at about 12.75 on June 25th, and another unfilled gap down on July 24th, at about 13.25, and yet another gap down at about 12.95 on about August 8th. All three of these gaps down are in striking range of the current price of 12.50 looking at 12.75, 12.95, and 13.20, when looking for a 1$ move in silver just to catch up. If silver moves that 1$, as now expected to catch up, it would cover all three down gaps, filling them, a tendency in price movement. Also, the double gapping up move in gold are close in time, only a couple of days apart. With gold moving higher based on two reinforcing gaps up spaced close in time, with silver correlated to gold, and hence, gold is confirming silver's up trend, and with three prior down gaps, it seems that Silver will now gap up again in a 1$ reinforcing move up, just like gold. Based upon Gold's move, silver's under price, silver's first gap in a current up move, one would expect that in next week or so, silver will see another gap up, reinforcing the move in silver, and will move up silver to 13.50. So, by end September, Silver should be over 13.50 as Silver gaps up. "
Silver did gap up, and did move from 12.50 to 13.50, within 11 days, the week or so, and is now above 13.50. And that is exactly what happened. (There is raucous blackslapping going on in the Cafe!!)
Derrick
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Just a coincidence, you make the call.
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In this bull run, I first bought in, big for me, at 270/oz 2000-01, so all those who bought gold bullion less than 270/oz in the last 25 years, and still holding all of it, raise your hands.
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When silver collapse to 10.98, (see Richiedoc's chart this day "Silver - Past is Prologe" thread, I did something very unusual, I put out my personal buy call:Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:31 AM
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I have been buying Silver in here, and normally would not make such a bold call, But this is an URGENT alert, I am personally sending you. BUY BUY BUY
I am so excited, can barely sleep, up at 2am, watching Bloomer. silver 11.80, gold 667.50.
THIS is it baby, been waiting 18 months for a move.
just 4 days to september, the buying season kick off month. Got Gold, Got Silver, Got leveraged PM Shares, Got leveraged-squared options?
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I bought low on last dip at 11.72, so all those who bought on the last dip below 11.72 and are still holding it all, raise your hands. ..... thought so.
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Le Patron, (Posted by Midas, 10/22/07 James Joyce Table)
Walking Liberty is Real Money.
The highly respected and much followed analyst Peter Grandich, (one of my personal favorites) has recently penned a controversial letter entitled "Man Your Battle Stations", (http:// news.goldseek.com/ Grandich /1192464000.php). Mr. Grandich does an excellent job of highlighting geopolitical troubles about the world, and relates these troubles as bullish for bullion, rightly so, while indicating that geopolitical time bombs are ready to go off. In large measure, Grandich's global glass is less than half full. Mr. Grandich stated that "The middle east, soon to be front and center", but it already was. So what is new? It is not that it will be front and center, but rather, what are the long term directions, that should concern us all.
While Russian President Putin speaks in terms of peaceful Iranian nuke use, he does not press compliant sanctions, indicating, President Putin likes a little confliction in the oil fields, naturally so, as Russia builds an energy empire rivaling OPEC. The Russian double dutch seems clear, push up the price of oil. Unless you first recognize a problem, a militant nuke Iran, you can not seek a resolution. World focus upon the Iranian nukes was a first good step toward resolution, sanctions is another, war if necessary will be another, but the trick is to keep the pressure on so that something will crack. In terms of significance, Iran is the last significant nut to crack in global militancy, state sponsored terrorism, or naked aggression, as the world's globalization confluence is now being perfected. While Iraq has been difficult, the insurgency seems to be finally abating, with Sunnis now opposing Al Queda, and with democratic Kurds, Shia and Sunni facing off against theocratic Shia, hence the birth of true democratic political parties and constituencies. The Turks may do some spanking in Northern Iraq, justifiably so, the PKK is a terrorist organization, and spanking them would be a good thing. In Pakistan, things are finally starting to turn, with democratic Ms Bhutto entering Pakistan, forming an alliance with, of all things, strong man Musharrif, both now opposing extremists. Hello!! Did you get that, strong man Musharrif is bringing in the democrats!!! (He really has no choice, to solve his problem.) This is a very good thing. An injection of a democratic leader into Pakistan should be regarded as a long term positive, trying to civilize that disjointed and conflicted country. Burma and Nepal are in revolt, the democrats there want political power. China is now teaching North Korea, free market operation, WOW!, bringing another GAP nation into the fold of CORE cooperative nations, as nuke are being dismantled. Things are actually moving in the right direction, if you can see it all through the latest car bomb smoke.
So, there are two views, the other is that the glass is way more than half full. Maybe Mr. Grandich would like to go back in time, with his picnic basket, away from these very troubling modern days, and go back to Hitler's Germany, Armenian Genocide, Imperial Japan, Stalin's Soviet Union, Yugoslavia Genocide, you know, the good old days, where multi-million man international armies roamed over continents laying waste to swaths of lands murdering MILLIONS, except lets make sure they all have tactical nuke weapons, just to make sure gold goes sky high, supportive of your favorite share picks. But not to worry, gold will hit $35K/oz when all fiat is outlawed in about 2035 as the world becomes a real money economy, once again. Not to worry, again, your mine shares will do just fine.
Surely there are many hot spots that can be identified, but these, save a potential blockade of Iran (having some UN IAEA legitimacy, and hence would not be totally unilateral, especially when emboldened with a little French wine), are all intra-territorial disputes. Today, there is no pair of UN recognized nations with front line troops battling it out just now, hence, we now, this day, have a world without international WARS. Hello? Did anyone get that? As to intra-territorial disputes or insurgencies, there are many, mostly in the middle east, some in Africa, and some in Indonesia. The degree of insurgency, from armed uniformed insurgent armies, to mass murdering of civilians, to infrastructure terrorizing bombings, to debilitating national strikes, to disorderly rock-throwing protests, to civil demonstrations, and finally to the ballet box, is a civil disorder quantization along an insurgency continuum. As to this continuum, the operating point of a society within a territory is inversely related to the number of years that that society has had a functioning democracy. The USA, the longest living democracy, nearing flew apart in a civil war 80 years after democracy took hold here. It takes many many generations to learn the "democracy" culture of civility, and children do throw temper tantrums occasionally. There is an inverse correlation between intra-territorial civil disorder and the length of time the democracy is in place, as this thing, called democracy, is a learned culture. This learned culture possesses the ability to spew your counter-mantra into another's face, at the drop of the hat, yet, at the end of the debate, shake hands, and submit to majority rule, without firing a shot, the civil thing, which is a very difficult thing to do in theocratic, totalitarian, monarchial, or strong-man cultures.
The direction on earth is a very good one, if you believe the glass is half full, and the direction continues to this day, as we transit from war and FRNs to trade and gold. Nations would rather have political cover, share the costs, through a global organization. Allied Wars, Coalitions, NATO, and allied grouped militaries, (all being indications of the global confluence continued strength), are all precursor to UN peace keepers, as cops on the street, limited to intra-national insurgencies and civil disorder. Currently, the collapse of the FRN is merely a means to reduce foreigner's forex reserves so they pony up for their share in globalization by the US keeping trade lanes free, as a cost of doing business, and the US national debt will be reduced to zero, when gold finally replaces fiat globally in the far out years.
As to trade, the same affect occurs. As state controlled economies shift to free-market economies, ala China, more free trade agreements and packs are being had, as the trade wars heat up, with mutual multilateral trade agreements, just like the trend in multilateral international militaries used to perfect the global confluence of coalitions and UN peace keepers. Commercial free speech leads to political free speech, and all theocratic, monarchial, dictatorial, and totalitarian regimes will continue to have trouble, ultimately failing, because all do not provide a means of free political expression, and they will continue to give rise to new democracies, that will experience initial growing pains, as civil disorder, as the democratic culture is learned and becomes dominate eliminating wars and fiat in the out years.
In the out years, no longer will national militaries strike unilaterally, as the world becomes even more interconnected through the globalization confluence. Unfair competition will be ruled out concurrently by the global traders seeking fair competition, and that means gold will be the medium of exchange in the global confluence and economies. Before our every eyes, Mr. Grandich, war and fiat are being replaced by trade and gold, as the respective preferred tool and medium of global survival of the fittest, due to the inevitable march of political civility of cultural evolution through global confluent democratization and globalized free trade.
Sure, there are many insurgencies about the globe, but one needs to take a step back and look at the big picture. These insurgencies are merely the expected dust raised by the foot prints of "Walking Liberty", first recognized by President Lincoln, in the last paragraph of his 12/1/1862 address to congress, where he stated that our nation must not fail "as the last best hope OF earth", placing our civil war effort above merely preserving the union or freeing slaves, but that, democracy must not fail, as he was the first to recognize democracy as a global solution and hope to cement permanent peace in all conflicted peoples, "if followed". President Bush herald in "democracy century" effectively putting that 1862 recognition into the modern context, as a done deal, at this point in time, where democracies are catching hold and where there are no international wars. Walking Liberty sure has made the rounds, about the globe, starting in 1862, or perhaps even to Jefferson's barbary pirates. Surely, the trip has been a long one, taking 145 years, and is nearly done, and it has been very painful for mankind. But, in the middle of this 21st century, the cries by all may just be "Free at Last, Free at Last, Praise God Almighty, ALL OF MANKIND is Free at Last". The insurgencies to which Mr. Grandich complains are natural infantile attempts at democracy, along the disorder-insurgency continuum, though not stated as such, addressing opposing views in the only way they really know how, but that will all die a natural death as the culture of democracy is learned by all in the foot prints of "Walking Liberty", enroute to replacing war and the FRN dollar with trade wars and the gold global medium of exchange. When fully back home, when Mr. Lincoln's greenbacks are finally burned, wars will be replaced by trade wars, as the proper place of Walking Liberty is Real Money.
Derrick
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I cant believe Midas posted this, hhhmmmmm, maybe Midas is a closet neo-con PNAC groupie??? nnnaaaa
More probably, needed some real-money talk to fill up the appendix today.
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Bill,
I wanted to personally thank you for posting my "Walking Liberty is Real Money" Le Patron memo as well as the rebuttal criticism thereof, showing your confidence in me to willingly accept criticism of my perspective, and showing a willingness to post an opposing view in your column, being graciously fair to all, including a lone wolf. This put you head and shoulders above most, in my book, over those who will not even seriously consider an opposing view.
Thanks Much.
Derrick
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Tell Derrick that the USA is a republic;
if he has any questions ask him to silently say the "pledge of allegiance" to himself and ask what does the flag of the US stand for?
Don T
Hello Bill!
Whoever Derrick is, he is really out of touch with reality.
"Iran is the last significant nut to crack in global militancy, state sponsored terrorism, or naked aggression, as the world's globalization confluence is now being perfectedIran is the last significant nut to crack in global militancy, state sponsored terrorism, or naked aggression, as the world's globalization confluence is now being perfected"
If there is a problem state in the world, sponsoring terrorism around the globe and internally amongst its own people, if there is a naked aggressor in the world, the world is - with the exception of American idiots like Derrick, of whom there are, regretable, too many - in agreement that the US government is the world's great terrorist, the worshipper of machines of destruction, and the clearly butt-naked aggressor in the Middle East, along with its master, Israel.
Iran has not invaded anyone. It has not threatened to pre-emptively attack anyone. It is minding its own business. Quite a few countries have A-bombs, and have not used them, and the US has no problem with them. Iran would simply be one more.
I regret having found this stupid guy on a favorite site - yours. Derrick is an uninformed person at least, at worst a lunatic like the rest of the neocons.
Hugo
(This guy Derrick is something else! Is he "for real"?)
"The direction on earth is a very good one, if you believe the glass is half full,…"
Well, I think the glass is about half full too, of petroleum that is. And do we still have half a glass of integrity? I think Derrick is extrapolating ‘western’ trends to infinity.
One significant aspect of globalization was the ‘globalization’ of fiat dollars; it worked pretty well while the world was flat; they seemed to drop off the end of the earth. But, now that we find the world is round, those coupons are circling right back to us. A positive feedback is a very negative thing.
Socialism is sweeping South America because it’s better (they assume) than the corrupted form of capitalism that left ‘liberty and justice for all’ by the wayside. Various mutations of this problem can be seen world wide.
As disgusted as I am of what we (America) have become, I shudder to think of what will fill the vacuum. Adding enemies at a rate proportional to the national debt. We are at a crossroads of epic proportions. Salutations for our contemporary fighters of truth; include Ron Paul, Aaron Russo, Bill Murphy, et al…
dale
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Iran has not invaded anyone.
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I suppose the spartians might disagree. (a bit old)
I suppose Hezbalah is militarily self-sufficient
I suppose theocratic terrorizing shia in Iraq killing US soldiers, are miliarilty self-sufficient.
I suppose Hamas will refuse the next arms shipment.
Yeap, these Iranians just want to be our pals.
I think it better to keep the genie in the bottle, rather than wait the star of david to fly.
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I just roared at this one.
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One last request, Bill, if you don't mind...
Several Cafe members have written to ask if I'm the same "Derrick" that has been contributing recent long-winded comments to "Midas." One subscriber last night by the name of "Hugo" even went so far as to call the guy's input "stupid." May I just say for the record that I'm not the same person and that my first name is spelled Derek, not Derrick. I mean God knows I've said my share of stupid stuff in my life—but I d*mned sure don't need to be taking credit for someone else's.
Kind regards, Bill, and thanks for the time and consideration—
Derek V.
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Surely these people understand that you do NOT bring democracy to a country with bombs and guns.
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Really?
War has always been the most rapid way to cause substantial social changes.
That gunner who fired the first shot at fort sumpter SC USA 1861, did more to liberate slaves than 80 years of prior political discourse.
Australia did participate in WWII to bring down Nazi germany, not for the purpose of bringing democracy to Germany, but for self-preservation, yet, Auzzie guns and bombs directly lead to democracy coming back to Germany which is now socially stable.
Non-capitalistic non-democratic countries have trouble keeping up the capitalistic democracies, because capitalistic democracies best exploit human nature, and, if you cant beat them, join them.
The US Gov has degraded the FRN, and through that degradation (10T in debt) has in effect been able to project a disproportionate amount of power beyound that from two centuries of substantial industrial growth, leading to the remaining superpower, having the means to project power as well as FRNs in all foreign forex accounts. China is using free trade lanes that the west spent trillions to protect, and with all them FRNs in their forex reserves, in time, china will pay its fair share, or so goes the conveient rationale.
The American culture, as I veiw it, restains a passion for freedom in some measure, and where you have a superpower military, and see people suffering under oppressive regimes, there is some tendency by some, especially the moral right-wrong folks, to go in and "help out". And where there is a perceived threat, its almost irresistable, to go in and "help out". But the USA is merely one of many instrumentalities perfecting the confluence. The USA just happened to be the first substantial and long lived capitalistic democracy, a first example, basically built upon the best civil teachings of prior Eurpoean political and economical systems.
The real driver of the confluence is based on human individual greed to prosper by ones own efforts in free economies, based upon self preservation, and based upon human desires for self determination, freedom, all of which human natures, greed, self-preservation, and freedom, are best perfected in a filled and fixed size world, through a confluence of interconnected capitalistic democracies. This is the key, and that is why, it is not USA's grand plan, but rather, a human cultural evolution. For whatever reasons, lies, truths you care to prescribe to, the results and extroplations, planed or unplaned, seem apparent over the long term.
check out thread "china transforms north korea" in its entirety for more if interested.
I just made it all up, trying to think it all through.
Anyone have a better rationale for a 5000 year bull run in human cultural evolution?
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democracy, what is it? The USA has an electorial college, which I am not aware occurred in ancient greece. Democracies takes many forms, the key stone is that all can express a political opinion without fear of suppression, that in the aggregate shape the political complex. Your voice was heard.
Bottom Line:
Elections by the people in debate were held.
President and Senators were then seated in power in connection with the elections.
President then exerciesed powers and indicated a prospective military move.
Debates then occurs in the public vortec.
Senators then voted in favor of war.
The invasion then occurred.
Democracies to not go to war at the drop of hat, but rather after lengthy debates and considerations.
You can cry all you want about the "lies" as you have judged them, and about how wrong the decisions were (inconsistent with your views), but you got your chance, "my dissatisfied countrymen" (A. Lincoln, 1861), to put up your opinion up for all to consider, and all views were effectively considered, and hence, the system worked, and throwing yourself on the ground complaining that you did not get your way is not consistent with the democratic learned culture to which I spoke, but rather, an undemocratic unpatriotic unwillingness to submit to majority rule, the civil thing in a democracy, as immature and selfish and failure to understand how a democracy works.
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No one consider it amazing, that power in the USA switches hands every 4-8 years, WITHOUT firing a shot, yet it is amazing, is it not?
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Surely, any motivated biased counter-party can find fault in anything, through spin, if you will, especially with a bias view going in.
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You speak of prisoners (terrorists) not having lawyers seating in jail. I heard you. I understand you. Now, can you bear to hear the opposing view? There is 1000s year history of imprisoning soldiers DURING A WAR. They dont get trials or lawyers, but sit in prison camps, and if they had not committed acts considered barbaric, (cutting of the head of a captive, for example), they sit until the end of conflict. WWII for example. Spies are shot and soldiers imprisoned. Al Quida declared war, and is prefecting a war. Terrorists have been captured and sit in jail.
But there is allot more to it. If you view the war on terror as merely a "police action" going after criminals, then your orientation believes that trials,lawyers, etc must be had for civil crimes and if convicted should sit in "jail". If you view the war on terror as a war action going after armed soldiers, then your orientation is that they should sit in POW camps, until peace is had, or otherwise sentenced to death or long terms for "war crimes".
Your bias will shape your sought after means of resolution. Some call for POW camps with military tribunals, others call for jail with trials and civil courts. It the perspective of course. How you view it, though, is not determinative, but rather, how the elected powers view it, in the aggregate. That means Bush is calling the shots at gitmo. Personally, after all intel is acquired, through any interrogation method that does no PHYSICAL DAMAGE to detainee, they should be summarily tried by military courts for war crimes, even if based upon a coerced confessions and if convicted, immediately taken out and shot, for war crimes against humanity, less, would not be sound military justice, at a time of declared war. The expense, media circus of civil law applications, would not due timely effective justice. As Genl Sherman indicated, it was war as the remedy they choose, and let give it to them in full measure so that they never resort to it again. They declared war. They committed war crimes against humanity. They should be summarily tried and shot for being the pigs that they are.
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am hoping Putin is doing his best to avert war right now, and if so, has more moral rectitude than any of the leaders in the west at this time.
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Me too, I go to Russia once or twice a year, wife is a russian national, waiting just now for US citizenship. So, my home is international, and I do seek global peace.
As to Putin and peace, he understands that the US can take out Iran any time. He is trying to rebuild Russia and understand the energy complex. He also understands chechnia islamofacists. He is also aware of the Russia's vietnam, (afghanistan). He is a product of the KGB under the Soviets, his cultural orientation is one of totalitarian suspression that replaced the strong-man Tsars. So, in the growing pains in democracy, there is a little back sliding, to Bush's horror, but that back sliding is to be expected. Russians are very comfortable with centralized power in Moscow, its cultural, but give them 100 years at democracy, and that will change.
Putin does not wants peace but does not want war, either, and positions russia in the no-mans land therebetween. Iran is his toy. Putin will play with his toy to Russia's advantage, and that means opposing the US (which builds pride in the Russians, as does fishing in a photoshoot, planting a flag, and flying bombers, etc), and hence is very popular by the losers of the cold war. Putin will oppose sanctions for so long as he is assured the US will not strike, to get maximum confliction there. The confliction in the middle east pushes up the price of Russian oil and gas, building gold forex reserves, forming an energy empire that will place Russia back on top in large measure. He wants to build influence in the Middle East with increased economic ties at least through building nuke facilities in sympathy with the Iranians opposing the great satin. Putin does not want complete peace, but does not want war, and is playing poker, as they all do, pushing the conflict to the edge. In the end, Bush will huff and buff, and Putin will scream war-monger, and either a gulf of token redue and the US takes out Iranian missle and nuke facilities or complete IAEA compliance will be had when Putin finally persuades the Iranian to cave in putting Putin on the world stage as the peace maker, painting Bush as the bad dog, with Iranian compliance to the UN resolutions, and hence, the march of the global confluence. Putin is not stupid, and is playing the US like a fiddle, successfully, for domestic Russian consumption while feeding red-meat and coolaide to the global pacifists.
Putin is being selfish. Bush is being righteous and self-preserving. Iran is being childish and agressive. The world sits in confliction, which will be resolved, in favour of strick IAEA compliance, which, in the end, will occur and be a learning experience for our dear uncivil theocratic neighbors, and hopefully, the democrats will rise up and over throw the mullahs. No one is planning the confluence, it just will happen. No matter what, human nature in the end, will interconnect us all.
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And what is really sad about this poker game, is that so much unnecessary money and energy is being spent on war materials and diplomacy, unnecessarily so, (If Iran is truly interested in only peaceful use, then why even oppose AIEA UN resolutions), and that the world faces am immenent 1.5 billion death bird-flu pandemic as that is only a matter of time, while the earth heat up under presummed global warming with dislocating affects, while many on earth remain oppressed under nondemocratic regimes, and many are under fed with an exploding global population, in the presence of uncontrolled fiat printing without addressing how we get back to gold global economy to prevent global unfair competition in the trade wars now heating up. We got much bigger problems than the Iranian pewks with nukes. That is mostly why, I want Bush to Blockade Iran NOW!! get it over with, and move on to other vastly more important global issues.
Its really a GD shame on all of mankind.
God may not be happy with mankind.
"Iranian pewks with nukes", you heard it here first.
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May I suggest that "judgements", complex interactions of biases and preceived facts, can be difficult to get a concensous and agreement by all. For example, the Cartel's intervention into the gold market, is absolutely real, and is a cartel WAG2, by definition, and it all can be judged as either sound management or evil manipulation, take your pick, its a judgment label. But who really cares what you call it, as long as to call it for what it is, the commonality between us, market management-manipulation. But the facts seem clear, they do manage-manipulate the price of gold to suppress its rate of increase to support fiat to calm markets and the sheeple. So, we can agree on facts and causes, however, judgments and labels are very difficult and are inherently problematic. Sure its manipulation, a form of deceit, but is it, in totality inherent evil or good. Honestly, I struggle with that call, and conveniently rationalize it, as not being good or bad, as it has been inherently used to project the confluence. I know absolute evil, when I see it, and honesty, Im just not ready to make that call on the manipulation, considering all of mankind.
Immoral, that a judgement call, which we will not agree upon, but I can give you one example, from my perspective, watching saddam slaughter about ave of 50K a year for 15 years, and watch with a superpower military on standby, and DO NOTHING about it. That is the height of immorality, a calous disregard for human life, and just let human slaughter reign before your eyes, and say its not your business. That is immoral in my book, how about yours? All this hopla over WMD, well, in my book, one pistol shot at an F18 over a no-fly zone would have been sufficient justification to go in in my book.
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But imagine how the US government would react if, say, Iran decided (and could not of course) to carry out a coup (with "shock 'n awe" thrown in) against America.
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I suppose then, that you are willing to trust Iranian security guards, in a country screaming "death to America" to keep safe dirty bomb material from terrorists, and put my children's life at risk. No thank you, I say the forward defense, and take em out now, and make them heal, or force them to COMPLY to all UN IAEA requirements. I suppose you buy into the peaceful use mantra. I am not so trusting. Next we will have Barrack Obama coming back from a Theran in days to come, with a pledge from the Mullahs of "Peace in our time". Sorry, been there, done that.
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what derrick is doing is rationalizing the evil deeds of bad people to show that what they are doing is good for mankind.
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That was a fair comment, and there may be some truth in that. I would not want to think, I am member of the evil empire.
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The "reason" to go into Iraq was not solely based upon bringing democracy to Iraq, but rather many many reasons, including self-preservation and the preceived threat WMD, economic continuity (protect oil flow), protect neighbors (Saudies/Kuait), liberate shia, stop the slaughter of the Kurds, 14 years of UN resolution violations, prior wars and slaughters, the rape rooms, the torture rooms, no fly violations, give them all a chance at freedom and prosperity, make daddy proud for daddy's unfinished job of it, a multitude of collective reasons, that I am sure went through Bush's mind in making the decision, which according to him, him pondered at length. And to gain political support, he used the full court press, naturally so, pushing the fear button on the WMD. (of course the bush haters only conveniently bring up one reason) but, IT WORKED (and you all call him stupid) That is called hard-ball politics, by the way,
The "reason" why capitialistic democracy is advancing through human cultural evolution is because it optimally exploits human nature.
Puting the two together,
Iraq went from a controlled economy and a brutal dictatorship to an infant capitalistic democracy, that is now going through its very expected growing pains, but, according to human nature, and giving a chance to sprout, it will take hold, and hence, the march of global confluence.
This is in large measure, ditto in afgahistan, but there the terror threat was more real, less we forget, as the far left seems to do, 3000 civies died in a sneak attack.
I am not sure, I can make it any clearer than that.
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hey hey, paulson and condi (<--- she is my sweet heart) announce more sanctions against Iranian guard for spreading terrorism, YEAH BABY, keep the pressure on, dont let up for a second. Glory Hallalua
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Reposting here to keep all of my thoughts in a single thread. Derrick's Blog, if you will. Any reasonable person who reads this entire thread, would conclude I am not stupid nor an idiot, though I am called that many times, Go Figure
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